Session Start: Wed Aug 21 00:00:00 2013
Session Ident: #glitchpc
[00:00] * Now talking in #glitchpc
[00:00] * Topic is 'Welcome to #glitchpc chat. Profanity, trolls, and impersonation are not welcome here. Street1 has become a Silent Keyboard. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/savannah/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=139870551'
[00:00] * Set by jacky on Tue Mar 02 11:03:23
[00:00]<+Craig> I wonder if that is due to it going through my router as well?
[00:00]<+Craig> think?
[00:03]<+Craig> Night guys :P
[00:03]<+Craig> I should go to bed. :)
[01:07]<@BC_Programming> hmm did I say 13 hours, worked out to 12, because I forgot I started at 10
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[01:34]<Zuwer> Really need to find something productive to do, wasting time on Omegle again and got called an idiot... By someone that clearly doesn't understand the difference between "your" and "you're".
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[02:00]<PCdoc> mark zuckerberg is such an ****
[02:00]<@BC_Programming> uh ok
[02:00]<PCdoc> that guy brought a bug to there attention and they refuse to reward him
[02:01]<@BC_Programming> what guy?
[02:01]<PCdoc> u did not read news?
[02:02]<PCdoc> http://news.yahoo.com/hacker-exposed-facebook-bug-reward-unexpected-source-203259234.html
[02:03]<PCdoc> this has been in news since yesterday, all the news channels and newspapers reported from all over the world
[02:04]<@BC_Programming> wow, that's stupid.
[02:05]<@BC_Programming> Why would the guy expect to get a payout when he clearly violates the terms of the program
[02:05]<PCdoc> giving stupid *rules* for not paying him
[02:06]<PCdoc> but cant they create customized rules on the spot to deny the payment?
[02:06]<PCdoc> its there company, they can always say "its written in so called rules?"
[02:06]<@BC_Programming> I suppose they could, though somebody could always just pull up the older version that was changed
[02:07]<@BC_Programming> shame the document wasn't changed. It's the same one that actually says that they do in fact pay to hear about security issues
[02:07]<@BC_Programming> Personally I think bug bounties are stupid. If for no other reason than people start feeling they "deserve" some ridiculous payout for finding them
[02:08]<@BC_Programming> it's the equivalent of being able to mail in book errata and get cash rewards
[02:08]<PCdoc> and secondly, i think the hacker tried to bring the bug to the security team's attention legally. But when the team refuse to pay any heed, he had to hack zuckerberg's wall
[02:08]<PCdoc> but facebook is offering payouts to ppl who find bugs in there system ??!!
[02:09]<@BC_Programming> He didn't try very hard. Looks like he tried a single time and in a indignant rage decided to exploit the bug he found,
[02:09]<@BC_Programming> PCDoc: yes, to people that Follow the rules... they are written down you know.
[02:10]<PCdoc> well, its not written in the news what was that bug .. if finding the bug .. the way it was found violates the terms .. then there should be no payout
[02:10]<@BC_Programming> https://www.facebook.com/BugBounty "Facebook Security's Bug Bounty program provides recognition and compensation to security researchers practicing responsible disclosure."
[02:11]<@BC_Programming> HAcking the CEO's account is not "Responsible Disclosure"
[02:12]<PCdoc> but its written in the news that security team did not listen to him so he had to do it so that suck understands that its a genuine bug.
[02:12]<PCdoc> they the team was not listening to him and said its not a bug
[02:12]<PCdoc> he had to do that for proving its a bug
[02:12]<PCdoc> and the team did act upon it when the hacker practically show them
[02:13]<@BC_Programming> How do you know the team said these things and said it wasn't a bug? Why do you believe THAT side of the report, but claim that the "rules" despite being clearly mentioned, are just "made up on the spot"
[02:13]<PCdoc> it was in the news yesterday .. wait let me find that link again
[02:14]<PCdoc> http://www.valuewalk.com/2013/08/facebook-inc-fb-wont-reward-hacker/
[02:15]<PCdoc> this was not the news link of yesterday.. but it says the same thing
[02:15]<@BC_Programming> with no citations
[02:15]<@BC_Programming> funny I was able to find a source for the Rules you claim were made up
[02:16]<PCdoc> no .. i didnt say the rules were made up .. i guessed there or asked u cant they change rules ?? !Q
[02:16]<PCdoc> they were not changed though or i dont say they changed iut
[02:16]<PCdoc> it *
[02:17]<@BC_Programming> " its there company, they can always say "its written in so called rules?"" you implied there was no written notation about how to disclose these issues
[02:19]<PCdoc> ok .. m bad with framing sentences i agree ..
[02:19]<PCdoc> x-(
[02:20]<@BC_Programming> personally I think bug bounties are idiotic to begin with, eg my Book Errata comparison
[02:21]<PCdoc> or may be he just fell hungry for some quick dollars
[02:21]<@BC_Programming> One exception, I can think of, would be things like banks, I suppose.
[02:22]<@BC_Programming> because a security bug in say the software that controls the timing of the vault or something could either be exploited for a massive windfall, or they can report the issue
[02:22]<@BC_Programming> right now I don't think they would get anything... Most banks might even just laugh in their face... this doesn't mean they are 'entitled' to exploit that problem to get "their reward" or prove something, though; that would still be robbery after all
[02:23]<PCdoc> yeah
[03:37]<Zuwer> Finally, this horrible weather has provided some entertainment, thunder and lightning.
[03:38]<Zuwer> If it wasn't for the fact I'd be standing right next to a giant metal pole, would be awesome to stand on the cellar and watch it.
Session Start: Wed Aug 21 06:25:16 2013
Session Ident: #glitchpc
[06:25] * Now talking in #glitchpc
[06:25] * Topic is 'Welcome to #glitchpc chat. Profanity, trolls, and impersonation are not welcome here. Street1 has become a Silent Keyboard. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/savannah/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=139870551'
[06:25] * Set by jacky on Tue Mar 02 11:03:23
[06:25] * ChanServ sets mode: +a
[06:25] * ChanServ sets mode: +o ChanbotVII
[06:46]<@BC_Programming> hmm 32 bit and 64-bit is really biting me today
[07:43]<PCdoc> 6 more days ...
[07:43]<@BC_Programming> until?
[07:44]<PCdoc> i m allowed to ch again :(
[07:45]<PCdoc> i liked forums :P someone thanked me for solving his problem .. feel so good
[07:45]<PCdoc> :)
[08:11]<@BC_Programming> FINISHED. FINALLY
[08:12]<@BC_Programming> hmm it's Wednesday now then... think I last slept Monday
[08:49]<PCdoc> wow! u didnt sleep since 2 days ?? :-o
[08:49]<@BC_Programming> I don't think so
[08:49]<PCdoc> i wld lie down where ever i am ...
[08:50]<@BC_Programming> hmm starting to feel it now though
[08:50]<PCdoc> u shld try powernaps / uberman
[08:52]<@BC_Programming> well I hope they like the report filter
[08:53]<@BC_Programming> Let's see been working for them since Monday and I've dealt with Java, C#, PostGres, JasperReports, THEOS, VPNs, and database normalization
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[09:14]<PCdoc> i hardly understood anything .. what u said u dealt with :P
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[09:43]<Craig_remote> Nice work BC
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[13:05]<+camerongray> Guess what! I didn't break anything at the datacenter!
[13:05]<+camerongray> And my rails modified with a drill fitted perfectly!
[13:11]<+Tux2> Whoo! Awesome camerongray
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[13:49]<@BC_Programming> Oh Tux2 btw, They don't actually "track" the time I work with Time Doctor or anything of that sort, it's all pretty much Honour System. I have to put my hours into a dog-fooded custom install of their THEOS product against a WO#, which I connect with the terminal emulator to a subnet IP when connected to the company VPN
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[13:50]<+camerongray> Ahh, they were in CH too
[13:51]<@BC_Programming> haha camerongray, you also helped somewhat in that I had pgAdmin installed because of when I was going to mess with the quassel DB
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[13:51]<@BC_Programming> saved me some time since I already had it heheh
[13:51]<+camerongray> nice!
[13:51]<+camerongray> I discovered that wearing a light T-Shirt to a daacenter is a bad idea when there are powerful vents blowing air through the floor :P
[13:53]<+Tux2> Ah, nice BC_Programming, honor systems are cool
[13:53]<+camerongray> I pity anyone who has had to fix something in the DC wearing a skirt :P
[13:53]<@BC_Programming> Tux2: yeah if anything I've under-filed... and I've already reg'd 20+ hours
[13:53]<+camerongray> KInda tempted to send an abuse complaint to the host (Versaweb) over that site :P
[13:54]<+Tux2> lol camerongray, I host servers with versaweb
[13:54]<+camerongray> lol
[13:55]<@BC_Programming> The guy that has been there longest, I don't think I like his C#, it's quite messy and uncommented. Also I had to fix it to get my Java program to work.. had to avoid the temptation to rewrite large segments into a one line linq
[13:55]<+Tux2> lol BC_Programming, I know how that goes
[13:55]<@BC_Programming> hard-coded .config file paths onto C: drive haha
[13:55]<+Tux2> camerongray: IRC stuff on the servers on versaweb is prohibited, so you can get him on that
[13:56]<+camerongray> Nah, not sure if he's using that
[13:56]<+camerongray> And promoting hate isn't against their ToS
[13:56]<@BC_Programming> I also tried to use SVN like git for a few hours
[13:57]<+Tux2> lol BC_Programming, it takes some getting used to
[13:57]<@BC_Programming> "Where is svn add? Why won't it let me add" without realizing it's not add->commit->push, but rather simply add once and commit to apply changes
[13:59]<@BC_Programming> also figured out how to use VS2012, Express was driving me NUTS
[13:59]<+Tux2> BC_Programming: what are you using for svn management?
[13:59]<@BC_Programming> on the server?
[13:59]<@BC_Programming> it's collabnet
[14:04]<@BC_Programming> I had some hilarious problems from 32-bit versus 64-bit... the java program worked perfectly when I launched it manually, but when I tried to launch it in the C# application, it just gave an unsupported class version... and I was like whaa... it was just working.... then I realized, that since the C# app was compiling to 32-bit it was launching my 32-bit java installation and that was out-dated.
[14:04]<+camerongray> hahaha! <guest_38> camerongray was REALLY helpful. But when all of you: "itachi" and "loony-<censored>" came along, this became a load of crap.
[14:05]<@BC_Programming> who's itachi
[14:05]<+camerongray> No idea, some new person that kept telling someone asking about CPUs to look at cpubenchmark.net
[14:09]<+Tux2> lol
[14:15]<+Tux2> Phew, just took a load off of my shoulders
[14:16]<+Tux2> did some cost/profit analysis on my spacebukkit hosting... seems it's not really popular and it's costing me money, so I'm dropping it
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[14:18]<+Tux2> That's $232.50 that I don't have to pay every month. Last month I only made $85 on it, which comes to quite a bit of a net loss on the service.
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[14:24]<jamer> Today was interesting
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[16:10]<+camerongray> Yep, that itachi guy is an idiot!
[16:11]<+camerongray> Telling someone that their BSOD is caused by hardware without checking (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/981833) - Then tells someone who isn't POSTing to buy new RAM to test without even telling them to boot with a single stick and no drives!
[16:13]<@BC_Programming> I'd be lying if I said I was surprised
[16:13]<@BC_Programming> Also one day when db is talking about his awesome skills with mainframes you'll have to ask if he has ever used THEOS
[16:15]<+camerongray> lol
[16:15]<@BC_Programming> that should be hilarious
[16:15]<@BC_Programming> "oh yeah, I have 10 certifications for THEOS administration"
[16:16]<+camerongray> I can imagine that
[16:16]<@BC_Programming> then watch him stumble as I ask him what a library is
[16:16]<+camerongray> Need to tell him about my trip to the DC and be told how wrong I did everything :P
[16:16]<@BC_Programming> "it's like a DLL. duh. Any Theos expert knows that"
[16:16]<@BC_Programming> then have to mention that... no, actually, Libraries are the equivalent of subdirectories
[16:17]<+camerongray> hahah
[16:17]<+camerongray> Trying to think what he would say about the DC
[16:17]<+Tux2> lol
[16:17]<@BC_Programming> you can see that though, it shows that he was just guessing completely based on the feature name
[16:17]<@BC_Programming> or rather it <would> show
[16:17]<+camerongray> Yeah
[16:18]<+camerongray> Sure he would love how the servers are mounted using rails we drilled holes in ourselves!
[16:18]<+Tux2> libraries are a collection of files that you can hook into with your program making it easier to do things.
[16:19]<@BC_Programming> Tux2: heh... not on THEOS :P THEOS is like VAX/VMS and for some reason calls the organizational nodes of the file system "libraries"
[16:19]<+Tux2> Of course, that's the layman version
[16:19]<+camerongray> I also noticed that the DC had somehow turned the backup power to our rack off!
[16:19]<+Tux2> lol, really? Interesting
[16:19]<+camerongray> Guy came back "I've turned it back on" - Well, why was it off :P
[16:19]<+Tux2> Sounds like a confusing OS
[16:19]<@BC_Programming> but that's also why it would be a perfect way to trip up somebody like db, because if you haven't used it, you would assume they were something like dlls
[16:20]<+camerongray> Yeah
[16:20]<+camerongray> I so want a datacenter rack now though :P
[16:20]<@BC_Programming> and if you assume they are something like dlls, you probably haven't used it.. which is of course fine... unless you are claiming to have certifications or 10 years exp. with it, haha
[16:20]<+camerongray> Something fun about standing in it trying to hook stuff up :P
[16:20]<+Tux2> lol, right?
[16:21]<+Tux2> lol camerongray
[16:21]<+camerongray> I wonder if anyone has worn a skirt in a DC before, that would be interesting with the vents in the floor :P
[16:21]<+camerongray> I had to tuck my t-shirt in
[16:21]<+Tux2> lol
[16:22]<+Tux2> you should test that camerongray
[16:22]<+Tux2> :P
[16:22]<+camerongray> haha
[16:22]<+camerongray> "Why on earth are you wearing a skirt" "Err... Testing"
[16:23]<@BC_Programming> hmm perhaps I will take the initiative and refactor the C# code by the dev who has been there 11+ years
[16:23]<+camerongray> We also have so much rack space unused :P
[16:23]<+camerongray> At least 24u!
[16:23]<@BC_Programming> so muhc could be made a million times more flexible with proper OO... but it's hard coded and it looks like he is basically writing BASIC in C# lol
[16:23]<+camerongray> Then quite a few servers that aren't used
[16:24]<@BC_Programming> also I managed to sneak in a reference to my MVP without being explicit
[16:24]<+camerongray> There's a Dell storage array - We've never used it! It's in the rack but was literally bought because it has 10x 300gb SAS 15k disks and cost £200
[16:24]<+camerongray> It's purely there for us to take disks from
[16:25]<@BC_Programming> when I signed the forms I said "man you are making me sign more NDA's than MS" then of course that goes to the obvious question of "wait.... why did you sign NDAs from MS? what were they for" "oh nothin, just my MVP Award"
[16:25]<+camerongray> Ahh
[16:25]<+camerongray> What was their response?
[16:25]<+camerongray> "I have 212gb of drivers?"
[16:25]<@BC_Programming> LOL
[16:26]<+Tux2> lol
[16:26]<@BC_Programming> I think one of them may have said Cool, they don't just give those away to anybody, either
[16:27]<@BC_Programming> oh there was a funny Win8 conversation too haha
[16:27]<@BC_Programming> I have win 8.1, one of the other devs has 8.0, we both like it... we were on one side of the table and one of the other guys has win8 but doesn't like it
[16:27]<@BC_Programming> Other dev: Well, you'll get used to it
[16:27]<@BC_Programming> Me: Yes. Join us.
[16:28]<@BC_Programming> the guy who doesn't like it made a good point though
[16:29]<@BC_Programming> 'I don't want an "experience"... I just want it to frikkin work'
[17:57]<@BC_Programming> heh, so I refactored the code anyways... MUCH better now
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[18:44]<OokiCooki> Hello
[18:47]<@BC_Programming> hi
[18:52]<jamer> Hi
[19:19]<+Tux2> Hi
[19:19]<OokiCooki> hi
[20:02]<jamer> Ive got an interview tomorrow
[20:06]<@BC_Programming> grats, what for
[20:06]<jamer> Milking cows
[20:14]<OokiCooki> gtg
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